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[原创]与哈伯抬杠，阿基，有的观点可能与你不同。 -- 笑狮子 - (653 Byte) 2006-12-08 周五, 10:00 (3354 reads) |
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作者：linghuchong 在 海归茶馆 发贴, 来自【海归网】 http://www.haiguinet.com
"作为一个汉人来说：
周秦汉为自豪，那是应该的。
以唐明为只好，那是可以理解的。
以满清为自豪，那是有点糊涂
以蒙元为自豪，那是相当糊涂
以蒙古帝国为自豪，那是弱智兼受虐狂
以汉文明，中华文明自豪，那是正确的，不过还是干活要紧。"
笑狮子 Brother, you are 100% my idol,
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This topic has shed lots of lights to my long-time confustion about chinese 粪青's opinion towards China-Japan National relationship.
Whenever our chinese 粪青 bring up Anti-Japan acts
, I always have some questions in mind:
What do those lovely 粪青 think about "Qing dynasty" which entered
"shan hai guan"pass and also killed millions of
Chinese people-or more correctly to say-"han" people,
and ruled our China for 300 years.
ba<x>sed on my very much limited knowledge,
"manchu" people were never conquered by "han" people
and were not considered as a part of our China before
they entered "shan hai guan".
The Qing Dynasty was the second time when the whole of
China was ruled by FOREIGNERS!!!!!!, the Manchu. The first
time was during the Yuan Dynasty when China was
controlled by the Mongols. The Qing Dynasty lasted
from 1644-1911 A.D.
The Jurchen people, believed to be the ancestors of
the Manchus, had been a nomadic tribe that lived
adjacent to the present Heilongjiang region. In the
closing years of the Ming Dynasty (1368 - 1644), a
great leader named Nurhachi, emerged from the Jurchen
tribe. Under his leadership, the Jurchen people
rapidly united and in 1616, established the Later Jin
State which was independent from the Ming. In 1636,
Nurhachi's son Abahai, renamed the dynasty as Qing in
Shenyang while formally declaring war on the Ming.
In 1644, when the peasant army led by Li Zicheng
conquered Beijing, Emperor Chongzhen committed
suicide. Wu Sangui, a Ming commander stationed in
Shanhaiguan Pass, led the Qing army through the pass.
With the assistance of Dorgan, one of his chancellors,
Fulin, son of Abahai, captured Beijing in the same
year and four months later, moved his capital there.
This marked the beginning of the Qing reign over
China. For the next decade or so the Manchu continued
to suppress native resistance, finally destroying the
last Ming pretender in 1659 and gradually unified the
whole country.
So what is the difference between what "manchu" people
did to us and Japanese people did to us? why nowadays
very few people blame "man people", instead, we saw
all these TV shows telling us about how great the
kings of "man qing dynasty" were? I was confused.
Look at those TV shows of “Qing Dynasty¡” in CCTV
keep telling us how great those kings were; and how
well and how successfully they had ruled and
governed China. Well, Didn’t those super-star TV actors,
producers and script-writers know how cruel and
bloody these “Great kings were? Didn’t they realize how
many lives those “Great Leaders had ruined? Why
are those TV people so proud of the way
foreigners had murdered and treated our ancestors? Simply
because that Qing Dynasty was over-thrown 300 years
later and their offspring became part of us--China?
Sorry that I simply could not understand this
AT ALL! To me, it is like that--Had Japan won the
war--after the Rape of Nanking, after so many
slaughters; Generations later, descendents and
children of the people who survived Nanking
massacres would see some TV shows in Nanking TV, telling them how
well and successfully those Japanese kings have
ruled and treated their ancestors.
Sorry that someone might think it is ok and fine,
but this simply does not make any sense to me, not even
after that Japanese government would be over thrown
and become part of us 300 years later, like Qing
Dynasty did.
For me, there is no such a thing like “do the wrong
thing for the right reason¡±, killing is killing,
there is no good word for it. I just did not get
it!!!----why there are so many TV people who went
insane and made those great murderers look like a
saint. And I can guarantee you that if Japan had done the
same thing Qing did, our children’s children will
definitely see those “Great Japanese kings” in TV 300 years later.
作者：linghuchong 在 海归茶馆 发贴, 来自【海归网】 http://www.haiguinet.com
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